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Old 05-20-2014, 02:16 AM Top   #1 (permalink)
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Came across the attached document just lately - anyone else seen this before? It is not the same as the one on the Rocket Bobs web site.
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Obviously one of the very few then Martin as there doesn't appear to be any of RBCW customers in your privileged position. Is it not available publicly (except on this forum now)? If it is - where can it be found as I am sure you will agree that prospective customers should be made aware that RBCW, according to the terms and conditions set out, accept very little if any responsibility for their work or the consequences thereof. Although, in the UK at least, this does not effect their basic statutory rights, i.e., that a product or service should be:

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3) Of good quality

As you guys have just found out
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T&C are on our website and go out to every customer. It's something we have learnt the hard way over.

As for the T&C they are no diff to any other shop, in fact less extreme than exile.

It's a matter of protection. And we have taken advice from our American Brothers.
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T&C are on our website and go out to every customer. The current T&C on your website are not the same as the attached document (I can put up a screen catch picture if you want). I for one never received these T&C - and as yet I don't see any of your customers from either side of the pond supporting your claim (except for Martin who doesn't count as he, as everyone knows, is in your back pocket). It's something we have learnt the hard way over.

As for the T&C they are no diff to any other shop, in fact less extreme than exile. All products sold by "Exile Cycles" are intended for use on "custom Show Bikes" only, and may be illegal or unsafe for use on any public streets or highways. Exile Cycles disclaims any and all warranties of merchantability or that products are fit for any particular purpose.
just checked it out on the Exile website - More extreme than yours you reckon?


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Olli, if it's the first three lines your talking about, thats Very common!
If your familliar with Vance & Hines exhaust, I believe they word their disclaimer on their H.D exhaust systems..... " For off road use only".
Oh, By the way, he does'nt have me in his pocket . I think the last time we spoke was wishing merry Christmas to each other.
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Not know'ing any more than I've read in this thread, I'm guess'ing you've had trouble with the law, concerning the mods to your scoot??
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I dont know whats going on between you two either. But, if it was problems with the law. You should have seen it coming Olli. When you mod a bike the way you have you are taking your chances with the law. We all know that just by changing our exhaust. Most are not legal for street use. And you have taken it a couple steps further.

By the way. Im not in his pocket either. He didnt even wish me Merry Christmas.
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I'm really sorry Mike,,

Truth is I wish you all the very best always, not just for Xmas

And these T&C, we've been forced to tighten them right up. 99.99% of customers are totally cool & bikers & fully get it.

But there are Sheisters out there and we need to protect ourselves.

Simple really,, but sad ya need them

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Olli, if it's the first three lines your talking about, thats Very common!
If your familliar with Vance & Hines exhaust, I believe they word their disclaimer on their H.D exhaust systems..... " For off road use only".
Oh, By the way, he does'nt have me in his pocket . I think the last time we spoke was wishing merry Christmas to each other.
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1) My issue is not with any other company except RBCW. I know that most if not all have disclaimers of this nature. The only difference between them and RBCW is that at least they have the balls to make them public so that prospective customers can make a fully informed decision about using their services.

2) So have you done business with him and did he provide you with this disclaimer?

3) That's personal - this is business.
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It's not me that has been in trouble with the law and had to pay out £5438.06 ($9176.18) for being a sheister.

Take a look at SK8's first entry to this thread - there are two blatant lies on that one entry alone. T&C are on our website (not as of yesterday) and go out to every customer (I don't think so). Hey SK8 why don't you e-mail me the original document as an attachment so that I can check out the electronic signature for when that document was created. My guess is the last 3 to 6 months. But I am happy for you to prove me wrong on that one if you can.
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Slightly off topic - but how do you go about uploading a video onto the thread? I just want to give you guys a glimpse of what I have had to deal with over the past couple of years before you jump to the aid of someone that has no issue whatsoever in lying to and misleading everyone on this forum - including those of you that think he is your 'friend'.
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I've dealt with rocket bobs since 2008. I probably have more of his products then anyone else. Every company regardless of industry has disclaimers , terms, and conditions. There is always fine print to protect them. Doesn't make them dishonest, it makes what they busted their ass to build protected from the skewed legal system. I have never had an issue with a part and have always had gotten help promptly when needed. If you had a legal battle and it's settled y not just leave it alone. If your so unhappy with ur bike why put it as ur signature? If you think your going to get revenge by posting on forums your wasting your time. I haven't been on in a while and it's sad this is the first thing I see. Go ahead post a video, but make sure you read you tubes disclaimer. Wouldn't want you to go after them next!
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Hi mixtacy620

1] Who cares how long you have been dealing with RBCW and how many parts you have? (You spent more than $20000 with RBCW have you?)
2) Does this thread complain about RBCW products - no
3) I have stated myself that most if not all businesses have disclaimers and this in itself is not dishonest - not providing prospective customers with them or not making them public is.
4) So you haven't had a problem - YET
5) SK8 has indeed just settled in full for a claim I made against him for charging for parts not supplied and for other issues that can only be described as professional negligence - shall we keep this quite and just keep blowing smoke up the guys arse and tell him how wonderful he is and make hime think that it is ok if now and again he screws over a customer? What about if it was you or one of your real friends he tried to screw over? I wonder if you would be so quick to have it kept quite or jump to SK8's defence then?
6) I am not unhappy with my bike because I had a third party complete the build if that is ok with you?
7) Clearly I am not wasting my time because you are jumping to the defence of a person I doubt you have ever met, about an issue you are confusing as revenge - do you not think it is in the public/consumer interest to know that SK8 is perhaps not quite the honest, stand up guy he would like us all to think?
8) And what about consumers who spend their hard earned money with so called professionals who then abuse their position of trust?
9) Tubes disclaimer is in the public domain for all to see and read so that people can make an informed decision.

Question for you: Have you ever received the disclaimer attached in your dealings with RBCW over the past 6 years?
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OK guys - I did not start this thread to have a long-winded debate with SK8's friends. The whole point of this thread was to simply find out if the T&C's I have attached at the start of this thread are NOT freely available in the public domain as, in my view, such a practice would constitute a dishonest and underhanded business tactic. It is commendable that people are willing to provide moral support to their friend SK8 and I fully appreciate that it is a bitter pill to swallow when we find out that someone we think we know quite well, and ordinarily would consider a stand up guy, turns out to be no better that those unscrupulous people we slag off weekly, or have had the misfortune to encounter personally at some stage in our life. Perhaps I should have gone about this in a more stealthy manner and posted up one of those threads that you can vote on and asked the question "`Is it acceptable or condonable for a business to conduct the dishonest and underhanded practice of not revealing their full T&C's to prospective customers" YES or NO? I wonder how many rational people would have voted 'YES' to this? Would I have had the same response from SK8’s friends if I had said this was another independent builder or a H-D dealer practice? I started this thread purely from the perspective of consumer interest, as I for one am not willing to accept or condone such illicit practices. I have had no communication from anyone (except Martin) that has been provided with a copy or even seen these T&C’s when dealing with RBCW. If there are those of you still a little skeptical about my reason for this thread, and feel it is simple a malicious attack on SK8 for revenge, can I remind you that I pursued a small claims Court case against this man and won. I could just walk away as happy as a pig in shit – but surely I have a moral obligation to ensure that no one else has to endure what I have gone through over the last 3 years? What if that person is you? How many people are out there in a similar position as I was but simply don’t have the time, drive or finances (small claims is not a cheap route) to take on SK8, or indeed have been intimidated by him and so have just walked away? You don’t think he is capable of attempting to intimidate those who dare to stand up to him? No, of course you don’t – he’s your buddy isn’t he.
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I had no idea this was a personal attack. I thought it was info gathering. Boy did I miss the boat on that.
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I had no idea this was a personal attack. I thought it was info gathering. Boy did I miss the boat on that.
No this is serious...pete needs to own up to wat hes done. I recently ordered a t shirt and although the tag said it may shrink it didnt say that if my nipples got hard that they would be noticeable..wheres the justice!?!



Trying to "inform" the forum about pete is just petty and sad...he helped build this forum..so even the people who dont agree with him arent jumpin on ur lil bandwagon..
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I dont know Olli. It sounds to me you are still after more blood. Something happened (still dont know what). You won you day in court. But yet you still dont want to move on. You are insistent to continue. I have been buying mototcycle parts for years and have never gotten a T&C from anybody. Sometime the parts dont live up to what they were advertized to be. They go in the parts bin and I try something else. Yes I do consider Pete a friend and if hes in the wrong about something, I tell him. We have had our fallouts. But I dont try to beat him down over it. Well, not to much anyway. Im sure there are hundreds of people that have bought his products are are happy with them.

Bottom line. You won, move on, do your business with somebody else. Simple
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Couldnt have said it better......Ollie read the wise words of FL . We have all had running's with businesses in the past, you've had yours and won in court......at the end off the day , if his as shonkie as you say then he wont be in business for long.....and no I dont know him and have never bought parts of him ......but I did call him a hand bag once
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No this is serious...pete needs to own up to wat hes done. I recently ordered a t shirt and although the tag said it may shrink it didnt say that if my nipples got hard that they would be noticeable..wheres the justice!?!
Dont tell me about shirts. The one I got from him went from a large into a size 3 infant the first wash
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No this is serious...pete needs to own up to wat hes done. I recently ordered a t shirt and although the tag said it may shrink it didnt say that if my nipples got hard that they would be noticeable..wheres the justice!?!



Trying to "inform" the forum about pete is just petty and sad...he helped build this forum..so even the people who dont agree with him arent jumpin on ur lil bandwagon..
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Did SK8 SLEEP with your wife too
No, but he did try to bugger my dog when he was here in Calif ... oh, wait that was Joker ... nevermind
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Bugger was even slipping in the back gate at Buckingham Palace, while Phil was out hunting fox !!
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agreed with what Mike said...you won, it's over and you have already told the world about it, but now it seems this is all about getting personal revenge. Think it's about time to move on.........DAX I move to close this thread now, there is nothing constructive going on here as all has been said and done
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I second that motion. This is democratic, right?
Nope!

I think it's ok to air the laundry a bit for OLLI since he was locked out from responding a while back and this will be a cathartic airing for him. However, I don't think it will matter much since OLLI has his money back and was made whole by Sk8.

We really don't know the ins and outs of the situation so to the observer, the thing is well over.

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Olli, if it's the first three lines your talking about, thats Very common!
If your familliar with Vance & Hines exhaust, I believe they word their disclaimer on their H.D exhaust systems..... " For off road use only".
Oh, By the way, he does'nt have me in his pocket . I think the last time we spoke was wishing merry Christmas to each other.
I don't believe I have even mentioned or have concern for the contents specifically at this point - just it's lack of availability in the public domain
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I had no idea this was a personal attack. I thought it was info gathering. Boy did I miss the boat on that.
Actually if you take the time to actually read the thread properly you will see it is about getting some very simple information that requires a yes or no response from those individuals who have done business with RBCW.
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Dammit..ur right...im pretty pissed at pete now..no where did it say if i buy his products i might get laid more...so listen up everyone.. if pete makes u bike parts..u might catch an std. And also if he sends you a set of handlebars and u insert tgem in ur anus it might hurt...once he sold..wait..sorry..gave me a gas tank but didnt tell me if i dont put gas in it..my bike wont run. I want a refund!
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No this is serious...pete needs to own up to wat hes done. I recently ordered a t shirt and although the tag said it may shrink it didnt say that if my nipples got hard that they would be noticeable..wheres the justice!?!



Trying to "inform" the forum about pete is just petty and sad...he helped build this forum..so even the people who dont agree with him arent jumpin on ur lil bandwagon..
What is sad is that you are so shallow that you would defend the dishonest business practices of an individual just because he helped build this forum. Also, I don't need people to jump on my lil bandwagon because I don't need people to hold my hand and fight my corner for me.
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I dont know Olli. It sounds to me you are still after more blood. Something happened (still dont know what). You won you day in court. But yet you still dont want to move on. You are insistent to continue. I have been buying mototcycle parts for years and have never gotten a T&C from anybody. Sometime the parts dont live up to what they were advertized to be. They go in the parts bin and I try something else. Yes I do consider Pete a friend and if hes in the wrong about something, I tell him. We have had our fallouts. But I dont try to beat him down over it. Well, not to much anyway. Im sure there are hundreds of people that have bought his products are are happy with them.

Bottom line. You won, move on, do your business with somebody else. Simple
Hi FL, If I was after blood I wouldn't do it here. As I have said - just after a bit of information no more no less. And I think we all know what the answer is to my question now - I just wanted confirmation at a place where I know people would have done business with RBCW. Where else would I get this information from unless I asked SK8 for all of his customers contact details. I don't believe I have complained on this forum about any parts produced by RBCW - quite the opposite. I have no idea what you have fallen out with SK8 over in the past but I am pretty confident had you experienced what I have with him (and it has nothing to do with T&C's) you would not be so keen to call him a friend.
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