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sirbOOm 07-11-2011 07:06 PM

Installing SE204 Cam - Checking to see if I've got everything covered...
 
Okay ladies and gents, since my wondering exhaust system decided to crack right off the engine and, as a result, I have to get a new exhaust system, I figured since the m'fer was off the bike was disabled, I might as well install a cam. Well I've eyeballed all kinds, focusing on mid-range cams and ended up finding a sweet deal on a new SE204. I know, probably not the best of the best cam but all the others were $300+ and, need I remind you, I haven't won the lottery yet. If I had, I'd be at Rocket Bobs learning everything...

So, I have ordered the following stuff:
- SE 204 camshafts
- Fueling P/N 2070 camshaft install kit (incl. required Timken bearings and the bits)
- Blind hole bearing puller (Harbor Freight)

Here's what I have questions on:
- Cometic P/N C9790 .30 head gasket: I'm told I should get this size for compression? I'm not sure I understand the compression bit but I'm told the SE 204 will like the extra bit of compression that I'd get with this thinner squish. You tell me... :confused:
- HyLift V-Lift P/N V2313 lifters: I'm told by many that these are the ones to get but do I need to get the heavier duty spring if I'm installing a non-stock cam? I figure no. I'm not even sure I need to replace them (18,000 miles) but I'm hearing that at 20K you should give them a look and 18K is close plus I've in the past valve train noise so I figure maybe these could benefit from a switchin' anyway.

I've decided that since I'm trying not to spend a million dollars here, I'm going to keep the OEM pushrods and springs and what not. The SE204 is supposed to be drop in, so don't see why I need to get new adjustables or anything. I honestly have zero trust in these adjustable ones... just too much operational complication for what basically needs to be a stick of metal. I don't mind taking off the covers... might as well get them powdercoated while they're off - they are an eyesore that should have never been put on a Street Bob anyway.

I know, I should probably just put a 103" or 106" on there while I'm at it, but a man's wallet thins quick these days. Hoping to snag a few more torques and horses from this engine for a while before I (eventually) get savvy enough to do a proper tear down.

Thanks for the help, advice, and thoughts. :wave1"

NirtDap 07-12-2011 09:21 AM

Sounds like you got all the gaskets , tools & parts ...maybe you might want some oil if you don't have any on the self ...There isn't anything wrong with s.e. cams ...I just put some 203 's on my bike ...I'm happy with the power gain ...I checked dyna sheets and preferred s.e. smooth powerband over most others ...I wish I would have done a write up on my cam install but I was in a crunch for time ...hopefully you can hook us up with one ...

sirbOOm 07-12-2011 10:59 AM

Do you have any idea of I can use a .030 gasket with the stock pushrods or am I pushing it?

NirtDap 07-12-2011 02:05 PM

If it was my project I would use the part designed for the specs ...To be honest it would work but adding more tension on the rollers my cause a failure ..It would be safer to file the rods or mod the rocker ARM sockets r...but fk that....

sirbOOm 07-12-2011 06:18 PM

Well my SE204 cam is on backorder until August and I'm not patient... eyeballing others now...

NirtDap 07-12-2011 07:26 PM

Im sure you looked for some used ones ...I seen them go for $ 100.00...I'm going to go for a higher cam this winter and do some head work ...

sirbOOm 07-13-2011 06:54 AM

Couldn't find used ones... found a deal online. I'm eyeballing the Andrews 54H now... thoughts? I want a cam that will increase the bottom end but go up the RPMs as I like to rev.

sirbOOm 07-13-2011 10:17 AM

So, should I wait for the SE204 cam I have on backorder, or should I get instead an Andrews 48, Fueling 525 or 574, Cycle-Rama 575, or another cam? This is for my Harley and I need it to be a bolt-in and add TQ and HP across the power band as I like to rev but also start fast; I don't want to use adjustable pushrods.

sk8rod 07-13-2011 12:04 PM

fueling reaper cams ;)

sirbOOm 07-13-2011 12:21 PM

Do you think I can get away with the 574 without new springs? I'm putting in new lifters already. I know it's not "smart" to "get away" with things but I'm putting in a cam here, not doing an engine rebuild or bore upgrade... just want to cam it. Also, with a .030 gasket, am I going to have the right compression (over stock) that will make the 574 cam demonstrate it's potential in a 96" (until I upgrade to 106" later).

Come SK8, give a brother some detailed help! I'm going to do a write-up on the forum (also to ensure I don't F-up!).

sk8rod 07-13-2011 12:23 PM

beehive springs ;)

sirbOOm 07-13-2011 12:46 PM

Doesn't the 2009 96" have good springs in it already? That's what everyone told me, man.

I hate bees... allergic.

sk8rod 07-13-2011 02:10 PM

who the fck told you that??

they aint good,, seriously,, go check out the triple springs in the SE heads,, blah blahblhahahahaa

no way,, if you want some good cams, go springs also, its cheap and easy,, i mean its just a simple operation to fire them in,,

you can do it Nick,,

sirbOOm 07-13-2011 02:33 PM

You're cheap and easy...

So you like Fueling... would you do the 525 or a 574 on a 96"?

What would YOU do... because I want to be just like you --> cheap and easy.

sk8rod 07-13-2011 03:20 PM

I am cheap & very easy ,, :o

It's all on the fueling page, what's best for yours. Mine is something different now as I got SE heads that are being flowed, a fat throttle body with upfatered injectors and increased intake bore with our own 7075 butterfly. I got big ass pistons running 11:1 & a bunch of other hooey.

Fueling have always made great shit IMO ;)

sirbOOm 07-13-2011 03:29 PM

Yeah but I don't know how to read the specs and "know" what affect that it will have on my bike. Figured you might and since you HAD a 96" at one point, you might shed some light. I know they say it'll do XYZ from RPM X,XXX to X,XXX but then you go to forums and get a whole different story. Buying a cam is the biggest pain my rear end... I swear to the baby jjjeeshus.

So just f'ing pick one for me, aight! Thanks.

sk8rod 07-13-2011 10:33 PM

We've fitted and also had scoots in with quite a few variants now. Fueling sound tits and drop a load of power on the deck from the get go, a great cam , as is the S&S

Hate to say it, but you really should consider gear driven.

Oh,,, and a fueling cam plate + oil pump :dance:

Will get you all the part numbers us need , ok sausage :wave1"

Bikebandit48 07-14-2011 08:47 AM

Thought there was too much slop in ours to take gear driven..a change to SE204 is a cheap but a worth it upgrade ..good bang for the buck as they say..:) ..well it is from what I've read about it.:noidea:

sk8rod 07-14-2011 01:48 PM

uhmm,, really dont know what to say about that :D

gear driven is the best way to go,, to avoid slop..:loco:

Bikebandit48 07-14-2011 04:36 PM

nah! I mean folks say there's too much slop on the crank of the tc for the gear driven..on top of that they cost a bunch more...

NirtDap 07-14-2011 06:29 PM

stroker crank that is ,,,

sirbOOm 07-14-2011 06:54 PM

Not doing gear driven. Tad bit too much run out for it - had that checked once when I was whining about my engine to the dealer a few weeks before the end of the warranty. He offered to install a new SE255 cam for me then for 10% off... I said tell Harley to build a bike with better specs and left. Glad I didn't put that in there - I hear they die quick... like 4,000 RPM. Not a fan... I go by that line often. My question is... Fueling 525 or 574. I can't choose between the two... I think 574 but then again I don't go past 5,000 all that often. Trying to figure out how to properly compare it to the Cyclerama 575 cam, which I hear is the tits in a 96". It has a smaller base circle by a little so I'll either have to get adjustables (ick) or the .030 gasket will cover me (according to Wes at Cyclerama). If I send him a check, he'll give me a little discount. The thing is expensive! I can get Fuelings with free shipping for less than $275. Anyway, I cancelled my backorder for the SE204... as much as I love how they sound, not interested in waiting for Harley to get it's supply chain in order while my bike sits without an exhaust and I don't want to take off the exhaust... again.

sk8rod 07-14-2011 11:26 PM

That's just wrong!! There's too much slop on the 96":pound:

I think you been reading the Sandy Clit too much Bud. The 96" could use the Jims bearing conversion on the LHS

But slop !!! & so much that gear driven cams are a no no is the single biggest pike if crap I've heard. Just wander how many of the armchair builders have actually fitted this shit?

We have now done a fair few and we will no longer fit just cams, the chain setup is not good. Gear driven is the way to go, plus spend the money, don't cut corners. Buy Jims shit and fueling doo dabs. There is absolutely no point in just pissing about with a half assed job.

sirbOOm 07-15-2011 01:13 AM

Would love to do a stroker build but: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

You haven't told me which Fueling cam I should get... waiting.

sk8rod 07-15-2011 01:07 PM

go with a 525 for sure, unless you want to get into it more...

the 525 will work great with an otherwise stock setup ;)

sirbOOm 07-15-2011 03:50 PM

Was that so hard! Now hire me for your shop already... I'm bored with my job and need you in my life.

NirtDap 07-15-2011 04:37 PM

Gear drive is better ,,,,gritty kitty not good,,,,I almost went with a geardrive on my cams,, but i dont trust a pressed crank to say true unless its welded ,,,Plus i found myself over thinking a fun project ,,,that i know i will be doing more than twice ,,,joy,,,,Im going to be changing out the 203 this winter and doing some head work ,,,,for more flow,,,,The best way to get a cam for yourself is know where you need the pull/torque ,,,unless you play the dyno #'s ,,,I like a strong pull at about 2300 -3500 rpms because when im cruising along and come up on a slow object i want instant power to burn around it ,,,thats it ,,, i like the g-force along with a good sounding pipe,, thats shit on a cracker ,,,There isnt anything wrong with chasing dyno numbers,,, because thats fun also and thats what its about ,,,,

Bikebandit48 07-15-2011 04:47 PM

Thats all well and good but the OP doesnt want to do an engine rebuild or up the cubes or or or...just wants a decent bolt in cam for a 96" that'll work good between say 2-5000rpm ..I may also be looking into this with an SE204 and it's going to be interesting to read the results here :pleasant: ..

sirbOOm 07-15-2011 04:50 PM

I talked to the guys at Fueling today. Ordered a 574. He said if I install it and don't like it, I can switch for the 525 and they won't kill me over it. That sold me right there. Choices and chances. I'm excited to get this m'fer installed. It'll be about time I get back on the road. I'm probably going to do a video or picture write up of the install - mostly to make sure you guys double check my work! :)

NirtDap 07-15-2011 04:58 PM

Oh Yeah,,,:cool:

sk8rod 07-15-2011 11:09 PM

Ok cool choice but now I'm gonna get all tearful and whatnot as that cam would FCKIN rip with some other work :(

sirbOOm 07-16-2011 10:53 AM

I'll get other work... eventually. I need to be able to do it myself or, if I have to have someone else do it, send it out to them but put it back together myself. I honestly can't afford $85 an hour in labor.

sirbOOm 07-18-2011 10:38 PM

The install is underway... top end is disassembled and the rocker covers are going black (you don't go back)... write up probably this Sunday assuming the cam comes. Was happy to figure out TDC.

NirtDap 07-19-2011 10:41 AM

Alright ...the world needs a good write up on a cam change with lots of pictures ....nothing like some tdc to relieve tension ...

sirbOOm 07-20-2011 06:16 PM

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Proof I'm doing this! Hey does this all look normal? Joe is going to p'coat the tops for me rapid quick. Can't wait.

Should I drain the oil before or after I open up the cam chest?

NirtDap 07-20-2011 06:57 PM

I would drain it first for less mess and after for more excitement ...draining oil can be boring ...look right to me ...just don't forget to cup your hand on the tank like it a tit...

sirbOOm 07-20-2011 08:32 PM

I gotta find a way to hid all those ugly wires in-between the jugs... never noticed them before.

sk8rod 07-20-2011 11:00 PM

Re-sleeve them in sommat purty, like your plaid panties, then drill the spine and run them straight up and into it ;)

sirbOOm 07-22-2011 01:48 AM

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So I'm pretty sure this isn't normal... this is the rear cylinder where the exhaust was cracked. Can I just "clean" this (and with what) or do I need a new cylinder? I think compression is good... thing spits out air like crazy through the spark plug hole. Also, in this cylinder an o-ring under the breather (right in-between the pushrods) wasn't there... this head was once replaced because of an over-torqued spark plug (thanks to Harley of Wiesbaden, Germany). Could that explain this black soot - oil getting through? Also, am I allowed to sand off the red stuff left over from the gasket?

P.S. Nobody told me I'd have to invent my own tools to get the f'ing induction module off. Sheesh! :rant:

Bikebandit48 07-22-2011 04:40 AM

I wouldnt sand any gasket residue off..you can buy some special stuff in spray cans..cant remember the name off hand..maybe someone can jump in here ..but def dont sand it.


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