Odd Job

I'm just plain getting tired of lane incursions cause drivers of 4-wheel motor vehicles cannot hear me when I'm along side of them..I had 3 incursions just going to work this weekend.

I DO NOT want loud mufflers as I find them obnoxious plus I refuse to pay the price for the mainstream companies products as they want pretty close to $500/$700 for slip ons! (im just to damn cheap. LOL). I want something just a tad louder than stock...

Anyone had or heard any experience with these???

I'm leaning towards #1 (just found out...#1 & #3 are the same company, if you buy off the dedicated website it's $10 cheaper!))

#1) Harley Max performance Touring & Road King mufflers : eBay Motors (item 270625365978 end time Aug-26-10 18:02:54 PDT)

#2) American Custom | Slip-on Mufflers | custom exhaust | exhaust pipes | custom harley exhaust | harley exhaust pipes | softail custom | touring custom | dyna custom | sportster custom | custom harley exhaust

#3) B & E Performance Super Flow Mufflers Shopping Center

ps: i'm probably not gonna touch my intake at all, the CA smog/equip testing is coming near

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1bcmc

Did you see this yet Mike?


California Senate tells motorcyclists to pipe down <http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/08/motorcycle-noise.html>
August 31, 2010 | 2:58 pm
Motorcyclists who swap their bikes' stock exhaust systems for so-called loud pipes may be more likely to get a traffic ticket under a California bill that passed the Senate on Monday. SB 435, also known as the Motorcycle Anti-Tampering Act, gives law enforcement officials the ability to cite noise pollution violations under the California Vehicle Code, reinforcing a 27-year-old federal regulation that is rarely enforced.
Under the proposed law, motorcyclists pulled over for other traffic violations could also be cited for illegally noisy exhaust pipes and fined $50 to $100 for a first violation -- a fix-it ticket that could be dismissed with a proof of correction. Subsequent offenses would result in fines of $100 to $250. The bill, which has also passed the Assembly, is headed for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to sign. It would apply to motorcycles and after-market parts from the 2013 model year forward.
"The noise pollution caused by illegally modified motorcycle exhaust systems is a major quality of life issue across the state," SB 435's author, Sen. Fran Pavely (D-Santa Monica), said in a news release issued Monday. "Basic common sense and decency dictates that when a motorcycle drives by and sets off every car alarm on the street, that is too loud.
"Additionally," Pavley said, "many of the modifications which are aimed at making a bike louder -- for example removing the catalytic converter -- also make the bike exponentially more polluting. This has direct, measurable and negative impacts on public health."
SB 435 is a watered-down version of a bill first introduced in the senate in February 2009. The earlier version of SB 435 <http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/05/local/me-smog-motorcycles5> , which had also targeted illegally modified motorcycle exhaust systems but for emissions violations and would have required biennial smog checks for motorcycles, met too much resistance from bikers' rights groups and was amended last year.
The retooled version of SB 435 focuses only on exhaust-pipe-tampering and bikes that exceed the EPA-regulated 80-decibel limit for bikes manufactured since 1985. While an illegally noisy exhaust often goes hand in hand with a bike that exceeds allowable emissions, the 2010 version of SB 435 does not specifically address the smog-forming pollutants resulting from illegally modified bikes. It does, however, hold the potential to also reduce emissions -- if it's enforced.
According to the Air Resources Board, which backed the smog-check version of SB 435, motorcycles account for less than 1% of vehicle-miles traveled in the state yet account for 10% of passenger vehicles' smog-forming emissions; swapping a compliant tailpipe equipped with a catalytic converter for one without emissions controls can emit as many as 10 times more smog-forming pollutants per mile.

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Odd Job

yes I did...that's a reason why I'm staying conservative...these mufflers are about 3db over stock, hopefully "loud" enough for someone to hear me, plus.....probably, I like you, am a very conservative rider and doesn't get pulled over for traffic violations and doing stupid stuff anyways. I am KEEPING my CAT...

I dont get this? 2013 -forward ie: 2014, 2015, 2016...or 2013 - backward ie:2012, 2011, 2010...???

This is what did it...all those who ride excessively loud pipes that set off alarms and laugh about it, ruin it for everyone...also the ones who blast down the streets...."that just pisses me off" (isn't that a thread here??? LOL)

Kinda makes me wanna get back on a motor and write some cites for all those obnoxiously loud ones!! Maybe the Chief will let me transfer out of Air Support back to Traffic for my reservist hours!! hmmmmm...just a thought!

who knows...maybe I'll just stay stock and just grin and bare it.........pretty sad that a few obnoxious riders ruin it for the rest who do want performance and a little bit of the good ole Harley sound

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sk8rod

Yeah agreed but that Cali thing seriously blows !!! I mean that just about kills it for me

any of those three are cool OJ

ya know bikes do need a bit of sound to help other motorist take note. Loud pipes save lives

let's just ban all jap race bikes and riders under 25

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Im curious, does Cali have similar laws for cars, trucks, buses and other stuff on the roads?

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Mike, what about Rush? Rush Slash Down Cut Slip-on Mufflers

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@ SK8....see I told ya, CA SUCKS the big green weenie!!! I agree fully, loud pipes saves lives but unfortunately there are those who ruin a good thing for others by being big pricks and blasting their pipes around town and pissin people off. I knew it was a matter of time before the hammer fell!! Beware...it will be coming to ALL states, this will be the fad for cities and states to adopt this law.

@ FL...yup, even worse for cars and such. The cars are even impounded at times...

@ HB....I like the RUSH, but not the price...i'm a frugul buyer (i'm cheap!!!)

I just may buy the B&E Superflow M-2...and stick with that so drivers will hear me, then when the smog check comes around stick my stockers back on. Won't get the Stage 1

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We have some thing the same in the UK i dont think its that bad cost wise, but hell you would have to be a HOGIE to buy one. Loud pipes me

sk8rod

+1 Bud

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Have you considered Cycle Shack Slip ons? I just picked up a used pair on Ebay cheap and am very pleased with them....nice quality and louder than the stock ones. Even if purchased new, CS are reasonably priced.

Several posters on one of the Harley forums indicated that Cycle Shack produced some of the popular early Screamin Eagle slip ons for Harley.

Odd Job

Yes I did, thanks for the tip....they were a little too loud for my taste also as I have heard them before. Supertrapp also produced the SE Slip-ons for HD and also the High Performance Touring Slip-Ons for HD.

I pulled the trigger and bought the B&E Max-2 slip-ons...they sound better than the Supertrapp SE and are also around 3db louder than stock....two of my buddies bought these (B&E's) and they have a tremendous low pitch rumble at idle I have never heard before and at cruising highway speed keep that pleasant low rumble that you can hear....the website mp-3 doesn't give the sound any justice...you gotta hear them in person to appreciate!

With these slip-on mufflers you won't be gettin pulled over just for noise, but you'll have a pleasant great sounding HD

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FL

OJ. I knew you wouldnt be able to leave that thing stock for long

Good choice!

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yeah Mike...I tried, just gettin tired of getting cut into my lane cause some can't hear the stocker exhaust...good sounding pipes are a good thing, now if we can only control the rider who likes to blast them!

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raaron

I've got to second that. Funny thing the local "Victory dealer" the first thing they stroke the new buyer with is strait pipes, no baffle. And none of those guys can control them selves. Used to ride with a guy always doing something Stupid. Burnouts Wheelies running it up to the limiter. Just no fun when you got to worry about what kind of trouble some one else is going to get you in. I kind find my own.

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FL

Soooooooooo. Are you ready to stage one that thing yet ?

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Odd Job

for sure NO stage-1.....they will be smoging our machine soon..will be a pain in the ass to swap everything back to stock and get a re-flash over and over again...the slip ons wont be a hassle (it will, but not as bad as re-flashing the ECU)

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Mentalpaused

Its time to join your local chapter of ABATE. The feds are pushing local cops to begin motorcycle only stops for dot gear checks and exhaust checks. ABATE works hard to stop the government intrusion into the riding community and has had alot of success in getting rid of helmet laws. Worth the effort.

Odd Job

ehhh....somewhat skeptical about ABATE. They have long been anti-law enforcement and have some ties to OMG's...so with that NOT a good idea for me to join up. (There maybe someone in there that I may have cited for MC violations before )

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Rod, I hear ya buddy....but me, personally....I'm in favor for wearing helmets, always have, always will...and as for the loud exhaust I'm on the fence...I hate those riders that have the uncorked/unbaffled pipes and no control on the wrist and loud pipes should be banned, but I also understand and know pipes you can hear saves your butt...I don't see myself joining, I'll stay stock and just grin and bear it

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Yup ABATE has its problems, but the basic idea is to let each rider decide for themselves when it comes to helmets. There are alot of dangers involved in wearing that some just dont want to talk about. As for loud exhaust who is gonna pick up the costs of getting run down because some cager didnt see or hear you because of the law? The biker is being denied the ability to overcome the number one excuse of those who kill or cripple them with that excuse. I didnt see him.

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I hear what ur saying MP......on the helmet issue, but I actually like wearing a helmet, I feel really secure with the bucket on as I know it helps protect me. I do agree the wearing of a helmet choice should be left up to the rider...I just happen to like the helmet law...so a ABATE doesnt need me and my opinions.

As far as the loud exhaust and "who's going to pick up the tab for getting injured" I do respectfully have a different opinion.

As a former motor officer and doing many years of enforcement riding...it's truly the responsibilty of the rider to take all pre-cautions when riding, it is NOT anyone elses responsibility. As a rider you must always expect the unexpected, put yourself in the most advantageous field of view, make yourself the most visible, do all humanly possible to avoid being hit. When us motor officers go down...we too have an accident review board and many times get hammered for "failing to anticipate" due to our actions prior to the accident...sometimes it's a catch-22. All in all...they again say, being a mototr officer is a hazardous assignment and you knew or should have known what your were getting into!!!!!

At the end of everyday...I was exhausted just from having my head on a swivel...ask 1BCMC he will tell you the same thing. I chose to get a muffler that is slightly louder than stock...just to give me the edge..but I rely on my skills and awareness to keep me from being a statistic

You CANNOT rely on noise from the exhaust to make things safe for you. Even with loud exhaust the distracted driver or the HUA driver will hear you but NOT know where you are and commence with their movement regrdless....again it's up to the rider to make himself visible, not be in a blind spot, anticipate and respond corrcectly and safely as trained. "If it predictable, it's preventable"

We all ride for a reason and that is be out as close to the elements, the freedom and feel of the motor....WE ALL accept the hazards that come along with it...I don't blame the cager 100% as because of the modern technology of new vehicles, they are making them more soundproof than ever, but the cager who drives distracted, violates the law or has no care is unexcusable...but the same same goes for the motorcyclist. Ya gotta keep your wits sharp as a tack.

This is just my opinion......we gotta be responsible and accountable only for ourselves.

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I agree completely and have ridden under the old adage, ride like you are invisible, for many years. But when a law forces us to diminish our ability to avoid being hit the responsibility falls partly at least on those setting the law. I personally have the greatest respect for law enforcement but am concerned with the attitudes that seem to seperate them from the citizens at large. The old cliche, If you aint cop you are suspect comes to mind. That and the many cases we hear of police protecting" their own" even when they are commiting the worst of the crimes they are sworn to uphold. The seperation into a seperate group on the part of leos is largely responsible for the mistrust of police by many people.

raaron

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good point Rod....

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